Sleepovers With Uncle Jeff

I'm not surprised at this story at all. He's a doctor - no one will prosecute him on the word of children, even those now almost grown. Too much influence, too much money. I could say more about the church, but there's no point. This is what I would expect at any church, of any religion. If one person is delusional, it's called insanity, if a group of people are delusional, it's called religion.

I am not certain how quickly the State Medical Board updates its records but, so far, nothing has been reported.

http://reg.tmb.state.tx.us/OnLineVerif/Phys_ReportVerif.asp?ID_NUM=461733&Type=LPBlair Brininger
blair@disability.md

This article should have been printed in the Beaumont Enterprise. Thanks for writing their story, for being brave enough to write it all out. The community needs to know the truth. It doesn't matter what your staion is in life, your title, your wealth. Just because you have a degree doesn't give a person a license to commit horrible acts and just think you can pay your out. My heart breaks for these girls and what they have endured. My prayer for them is that they can one day move on with their lives and not let this ordeal define them.
Anne

It seems like the Dr's wife is an enabler on this. She was probably fondled by her father. The picture of the girls is one of emotional immaturity, which is common in these kinds of families. But what blows my mind is the whole thing started with the wife inviting an adolescent girl to sleep with her and her husband. These people are a text book example of "lack of boundaries". They are so shamed by their religion they don't know which way is up. They have to rely on authority figures to tell them what to do. Pastor Buck should be prosecuted for not reporting the allegations. He is legally required to do so.

The Beaumont Enterprise is not about to print this story. Jeffrey Klem is buying advertisement space from them for his new cardiology practice accepting new patients. The group he was in must have kicked his sorry butt out.
The Texas Medial Board is aware of this. They have the wheels in motion to revoke his license to practice, but they said it could take months. That was their comment when the story of Klem's plea bargain and sentencing was printed in the Beaumont Enterprise.
The pastor/grandfather, daughter/wife of the doctor/pedophile are all guilty, morally and/or legally. They should be ashamed of themselves. They are all child abusers. I think the wife of Dr. Klem probably is a victim of childhood molestation too, but that is no excuse. I don't care how many patients Klem has that thinks he is the greatest. They can have him. I would never let Jeffrey Klem treat me. I wouldn't care if he was the only cardiologist in town. That child abusing, perveted molester will never touch me or any of my family members. A family member of mine was recently treated at a Beaumont hospital and a cardiologist was needed. I wrote it down and left it for the physician. "Do NOT allow Jeffrey Klem to treat this patient. Any other cardiologist will do, but NOT KLEM."
Personally, I don't know how Kip Lamb can defend such despicable people. He has a daughter himself.
The church members are also pathetic. I bet they would never allow anyone else to degrade them in such a humiliating manner. And to think they are financially supporting this heathen pastor. Klem will be shoveling coal in a furnace one day, along with Paw Paw and Sweetie.

How horrible that so many young girls were harmed by this man. May God help each of them and their families.

Unfortunately, the United Pentecostal Church International likes to say they are "only" a ministerial organization yet their own constitution clearly states that members of affiliated churches are also considered members of the UPCI. Their official web site even states they are a denomination on their main page: "The United Pentecostal Church International (UPCI) has been among the fastest growing denominations in North America since it was formed..." So which is it? A ministerial organization or a denomination or perhaps both?

It has long been a problem in the UPCI with them stating that churches are autonomous. Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not, depending on the situation. Meanwhile, numerous cover-ups have been reported by current and former members of sexually related incidents as well as other problems through the years. The organization issues licenses to these ministers and they have the authority to pull that license. You would think they would want to take action because, like it or not when situations like these arise, it DOES reflect negatively on the organization. And now that their ministers have been permitted to advertise on television as it was voted in at the 2007 General Conference, they will most likely receive more scrutiny when things like this happen as additional people become aware of the group.

There are some web sites with information on this religious group for those interested. http://www.christianchallenge.org/ has some information as well as a group for those who have left or are questioning. http://www.spiritualabuse.org/ has much information specific to this group, including information on some cases that have hit the media or gone to court. http://www.whyileft.org/ and http://www.actseighteen.com/ also provide insight.

How sad that a man, as talented as Klem is supposed to be, would allow himself to do such a thing to innocent children. I have known Ashlee for ten years...and know her to be COMPLETELY honest so I have never doubted anything she said. I DO doubt the sanity of Buck, his wife, and Beth for standing with Klem though...especially when he admitted the wrong. I'm frustrated that they held their peace and didn't end this years ago when it first came to their attention. There are many that will be affected by this...and as a Pentecostal myself I find the UPCI's hesitancy disturbing. Something HAS to be done...and not years from now. God bless these children!!!!

I think this is a sad sad situation. The media in Beaumont and Houston has ruined Dr. Klem, therefore, he never stood a chance at a fair trail. Why would children want to continue to go to someone's house if they "molested" them? Is it because they were spoiled with expensive clothes, treated to fancy dinners, brought to get pedicures? This makes no sense to me. Also, if the parents knew of this for three years, why were the children allowed to go back there? Maybe Uncle Jeff and Aunt Beth were babysitters and were always reliable. Has anyone ever thought of that? This is an outrage. I am appaled at the stupidity of the people in this area. The truth will eventually come out, and justice will be served. God will be the ultimate punisher.

As someone who has often relied on the media for my information, I am here to say that is no longer the case because I have never in my life seen a more biased reporting of "facts" without having equal representation from both sides. Anyone with the smallest amount of intelligence should realize that the press sensationalizes stories like these - especially when a church and religion are involved. I know it makes a good story to think that the people of New Life are brainwashed and part of a grand coverup...makes for a great Lifetime movie but these are people's lives we are talking about. Character speaks very highly and just because someone's side has not been presented on the news does not mean there isn't one. Mr. Malisow, I suggest you take a job working for the National Enquirer since you choose to get your facts in a manner that is indicative of such a publication.

I don't know why any of this would surprise anybody unless they were blinded by the fact that people held in high esteem within the upci (United Pentecostal Church International) are just men and women. They might hold some "title" like "pastor" or "youth leader" or might sit on the front pew and sing in the choir and of course they might claim separation from the world and being "filled with the Holy Ghost". Anyone who has ever done any kind of research into this organization that several groups consider to be a "cult" knows that scandal has paid its cruel visit to some of the largest churches and highest offices.

I was the pastor's son-in-law of a very large upci church in Dallas, TX for 13 years and although I had divorced and moved away from my old church I was shocked to see on local Texas television stations and to read in several Texas newspapers that the pastor's son (who since my exit had now himself become pastor) had also been charged with child molestation with several of the young girls in the church. The Sr. Pastor apparently tried to keep a hush on the allegations. Later when I was asked to testify at the criminal trial I was told that the new pastor had finally confessed to the molestations.

Just because people claim to be "extra holy" or "holiness" doesn't make them so. I was in a family for 13 years that was so "extra holy" that they conducted their own holiness conferences and refused to fellowship with other upci churches in the Dallas area because the others were "too worldly".

When I left that church I was told by the Sr. Pastor that I "would never see or hear from my two sons again". It was nearly 20 years later and I received my very first message from my eldest son who is now 25 and has also left that church. I still haven't heard from my youngest son who still attends there.

I have heard only recently that there is yet to be another court hearing/trial that is set for January of 2008.

I am very saddened by our judicial system. I am also very sad with the media. It has not been long ago that Fox News did a segment on how men are afraid of girls! This probably a prime example of why men fear young women. If a person has any education at all - - then they are aware that some people take a plea bargain b/c they are guilty. Then others take plea bargains because the risk is to high. It is kinda of like going to a doctor and the doctor suggesting chemo therapy and if chemotherapy is not done that person could die. You do what the doctor advises. Dr. Klem in my opinion - did just that! He took the advice of his lawyers I am sure! I dont beleive for one minute that Dr. Klem is a guilty man. I don't think that the parents of the accusers and their lifestyles have been investigated. I think it is sad that Randee had to move in with her dad to get a little peace because her mom refuses to let her get her life back. (if the report in this gossip paper is true.) Another thing I question is I am a parent myself. . . why would the parents of these young girls want to expose their children's life like they are doing. My heart really goes out to Randee b/c she does not feel the refuge that she needs to feel at her mothers house. That leads me to beleive that the people that are allowing these articles (or books) to be be written have a motive. In my opinion, the motive was revealed in this article. I think these people that are trying to destroy a church is just wanting money. I would be interested in knowing what the accusers financial status of all accusers of the plantiffs in this case. I would also be interested in knowing if these accusers have filed any other civil lawsuits in hope of receiving money. I hope that this community and the Beaumont community will be educated enough to know that there are some harsh people out there. Could it be that the accusers and thier parents are the wrong doers? According to the research I did in the Beaumont news, a civil case against Pastor Buck and his church was filed before a criminal suit against Dr. Klem. I wonder and ponder the thought of Dr. Klem being a part of a disfunctional family. The article clearly states that Tina and her family is like family. I really think that this whole case should be just a family issue. I feel sorry for Pastor Buck and his family. I can only imagine the pain that the media has caused his family and church. Pastor Buck, Dr. Klem, Dr. Klem's wife. . . you are very much in my thoughts and prayers. We will stand with you for truth to prevail. It is ironic we only hear from the alleged victims but we don't hear from you. Maybe it is becuase you are being Christlike. I am sorry that your church, family, and son in law are victims of a judicial system that does not work. Please do all of our communities a favor - - please keep standing and preaching. Sincerely written.

UNKNOWN

I first want to address a couple of comments made before mine.

I think it was kind of an embarrassment to our town and our...judicial system, too. If you can molest three [girls]... and you can pay $2,000 a piece, well, that's not bad."

— Larry Wyche, former New Life ­Tabernacle member >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
It is an embarrassment to the parents, not us, our town or the judicial system.
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I am not sure what Robin Frazier means when it was stated “which is common in these kinds of families” “They are so shamed by their religion they don't know which way is up. They have to rely on authority figures to tell them what to do” What kind of families are you speaking of?
I hope you’re not claiming to be a Christian before, during or after you made this comments. After reading all these comments I have this to say/ask . My comments are coming from strictly what I have heard and read, which may be true and maybe not . You can NOT believe everything that you read or hear. I have read several statements attacking the church "New Life Tabernacle" This is crazy. A CHURCH is a place where people come together to worship GOD and learn of his teachings. Church can be held in a barn. If something happens between the people that attend service in that barn, are you telling me the "Barn" is at fault because that’s where they chose to worship? As far as the parties concerned I have this to ask. Didn’t Tina McDaniel make these same allegations towards Shawn, her own husband just about 1 ½ years ago? How could you NOT know your child is cutting themselves? Its our duty as parents to know our children and know when something is going on with them. My daughter and I watched Tina & Shawn on the news talking about how they were asked to leave the church. Then why did they write a letter stating they were going to leave before all of this came out? If I am not mistaken haven’t the McDaniel’s filed for bankruptcy. It seems like there is more going on than what is being said on the McDaniel’s part.
I agree with “unknown” just because a man takes a plea does not mean he is guilty, there are times where you really don’t have a choice because of risk. Also, I think that the “church” and the members would not be allowed to say anything until this is all over with. Maybe they don’t have a choice. BUT here is a FACT for you CHILD ABUSE is a horrible thing and it causes more pain and suffering than someone who has not been faced with it could ever understand. This is why it infuriates me when people (no matter what there race or religion) use it as a stepping stone for monetary gain. (Michael Jackson’s accusers ). I never ONCE thought of suing the man that molested my child. Is that supposed to make up for the trauma they have caused? Is there a price you can put on that? I would give my life for my child in fact if I could take her place I would have. The McDaniel’s need to concern themselves with getting help for there girl if this truly happened. NOT passing photos to the media of the girls in lingerie. They wouldn’t be trying to sway to story would they? I also know for a FACT that I wouldn’t do it. If the kids are so traumatized by being molested why would the parents give pictures like this to be posted in the paper? Here is another question, If these people are awarded this rather large amount of money, will the parents have access to it or will it be sole for the abused children? I truly hope that this is not a story that was made up because of money or whatever because the time and effort could be spent on someone that has been truly hurt. This is a sad situation no matter what side of the fence your on, your race,or church prefrence & I think anyone with a heart will agree. The FACTS will come out one day and everyone envolved will have to answer to GOD.

Before maligning the reporter, please understand that this is not the first time this pastor has swept this type of situation under the proverbial rug. There have been past incidences of (male)teen chaperones of the youth group fondling the younger children they are supervising on various church sponsored field trips. When reported to the pastor, the "procedure" was to call in the parent of the teenage perpetrator and make the accusers appear to be fabricating the allegations. When the allegations persist, the next step is to call a church meeting - in this case - a meeting of the men and boys (excluding the moms). The accused is put on "stage" and asked if he has repented - and the group is asked if the accused will be accepted back into the "flock". It is only when the parent steps out on a limb and reports the incident to the police that anything finally gets done. The children are treated as trouble makers and liars. Fondling is easily looked upon as a fabrication since it can't be medically verified (as could a rape). However, the emotional scars run just as deep. My heart goes out to the girls. Yes, it continued for years. It takes a lot of intestinal fortitude to come forward and risk ridicule, risk disbelief and risk ostracism by your family and your church family. How is it that none of these victims of past abuse were interviewed by the prosecution as it built the civil case against the pastor and the church? Other members of the congregation knew of these occurrences. I am disappointed in the lack of thorough trial preparation by the state.

Name withheld by request

(DO NOT USE MY NAME OR ADDRESS - MY IDENTITY WOULD BE EASILY RECOGNIZED)

What a well-written article! Bias or no, despicable acts do not deserve to be tippy-toed around. Someone was calling for the FACTS in a comment above...the FACT is that Klem plead GUILTY.
If someone was to truly trust God that all would be settled in the end, then there would be no reason to give up in the middle of a trial, would there? Hmmm...sounds like someone has a heavy conscience.
I moved to Beaumont years ago, and when faced with the decision of whether to move or not to, the deciding factor was New Life Tabernacle. Ironically enough, the same church was also the main reason that I took the first opportunity to leave Beaumont.
I can verify that crossing Buck Treadway is social suicide for Southeast Texas Pentecostals. Within days of the horrifying meeting, many of my friends and relatives were served "release letters" and no less than three dozen calls to each phone, many of them an automated warning to stay away. The letters not only "allowed" them to leave, but actually banned them from the church property, despite having contributed vast amounts to its purchase and construction. Also, you can see by the comments here that many people don't wish to divulge their identity; I have seen e-mails and MySpace bulletins from a New Life Tabernacle member that threatened physical violence and possible death to anyone who spoke out against Buck Treadway.
This article is a nice contrast to the monotone and thin reporting that has been posted by Golden Triangle news sites. Well done.

I am sorry but, you would have to live under a rock not to know that in some cases people plead guilty and take a plea that are not guilty just like some people plead no guilty that are. Its that simple. I am not saying that he is NOT guilty or that is IS guilty. I just don't think it is fair the way they are holding the church as a "whole" liable. One would not "join" a church or become a member over night. Being a MEMBER of New Life, I would think they would know and understand the process and procedures. One of which is to call a church meeting - in this case - a meeting of the men and boys (excluding the moms). The accused is put on "stage" and asked if he has repented - and the group is asked if the accused will be accepted back into the "flock". They KNEW this as a member so why turn around and act outraged? Maybe because the MONEY issue came up. It has not been stated in any of these comments but it is a VERY LARGE sum.
There have been comments made that compaired penecostals to a "cult". People are afraid of what they do not understand then they lash out by making ignorant comments.

As I was told, Jeff was going to hire the best "ATTORNEYS" money could buy! Therefore, if you were there when Jeff pled guilty, it was quite clear as Judge Stevens made it that day, Jeff was pleading GUILTY because "HE WAS GUILTY"! Don't think his attorneys could change that. A man is Innocent until proven guilty...and in this case Jeff proved his "OWN GUILT"! I guess, Jeff could have pled from the start, saved EVERYBODY the trouble. Then again, HE could have "NEVER EVER DONE IT"!

I agree if the man is guilty he should burn in hell. But as far as the statement you made "tina" about hiring the best attorney money can buy- if you have it why wouldn't you. It IS a sad situation, having been in it myself. As a "mother" I know the guilt she feeling. But like I said before I DONT understand the money, a large sum of money. Was this man accused before? If so, why would you have this SAME person watch your kids? If you accuse 1 or 2 men a year(including your husband)then I guess eventually she/he will find someone that will take the fall. And if she/he lucks out that man will have a big wallet that you can empty to help themselves out of there own financial downfall. Millions of dollars can not take away the guilt, it would be nice if it could.

Its an ongoing case in Harris County. The "ACCUSED" is Jeffrey A. Klem 232nd District Court and you are welcome to come. I am sure its open to the public. November the 7th is the court date, if it don't get reset. I have one child and as the houston press states her case is here in Harris County and she wants to go to trial. SHE NEVER ACCUSED ANYONE ELSE EVER BEFORE!!! Don't know where you got your info from, but its wrong, twisted, and incorrect!!! Sorry to disappoint you. Guess you just have your mind set and thats just the way some people are! See you there.

Wow! I am glad to see that Tina is finally speaking out! Maybe you can tell all of us why you post a picture of the children on the internet in night gowns. Maybe you can tell us why we googled your name and found that your address is the same as Dr. Klems? Maybe you can explain to all of us why you child had to find refuge at her dad's house? Maybe you can tell us why you are trying to destroy and innocent church? Maybe you can tell us why you are trying to destroy a man of God. A good man of God that has helped you through many of your troubles in life. I am interested in the prior comments written. . . about you accusing you husband of the same accusations that you have forced your child to accuse Dr. Klem of. I also happen to know you not only have accused Dr. Klem but you have now accused Dr. Klem, your husband, and your father in law. Please do tell why you have filed lawsuit with the Beaumont Independent School District. your child has not choice but to go to trial. I don't think the judge is giving her a choice from what I gather. Your motives will be revealed. It has nothing to do with the justice of your daughter. It has to do with the large sum of money you think you are going to get. I have one word of advice for "Tina's Husband" and his father. . . run from this lady - you will be next. Also I would like to address Dr. Klem, his wife, and Pastor Buck. I am not a church goer. . . probably should - - but I know of someone in the same situation. The true educated people know that the risk was high and you took the advice of your lawyers. From what I understand through all the articles that have been posted - - tina, and others have filed a rather large civil suit. . . stand true - - the motives of these vindictive people will come out. Dr. Klem. . .your innocense will prevail. The public understands that they have to destroy to get that large sum of money. You all are in my thoughts and prayer. Randee - - you are also in our prayers. Please find you a good place of peace.

nikki

I have been to New Life Tabernacle many times. I am not a member there. But I love Pastor Treadway (which is how he should be addressed with respect) and his church. I now live in a different city and cannot attend that church now. I have to settle for a local church here in Houston, Texas. I only know of the this story through all the coverage in the media. Obviously - - Tina, Les, Lisa, and the alleged victims did not want to take this case to trial. Rather Dr. Klem is guilty or not - - all of you had to give the DA permission to settle for the plea bargain. So you must not have had enough faith in your own case. I would like to commend Shawn on all of his/her comments. You make some real points. They are all valid points. The point I think that interest me the most in this case and I think the point that points to Dr. Klem falling victim to the accusations - is in the articles that have been printed in this articles and the beaumont articles - is that this accusation against Tina's daughter supposedly took place in 2001. At that time according to bio given on Dr. Klem - he was a resident. He was not even making real money at the time. Why did Tina wait six years to file suit. Ironically, Dr. Klem is no longer a resident - - he is a M.D. I have the tendency to have the same thoughts as Nikki the previous writter. I think the alleged victims parents saw the opportunity of a "big church" and a cardiologist. I also googled Dr. Klem's background. He is forty plus years old and has a spotless criminal record. If this Dr. had a problem like this people are accusing him of. . . he would have a history of it. There is no history. I don't want to throw mud at anyone, but this case is needless and senseless. I feel bad for Pastor Treadway, his family, and his church. I have alot of questions that I would like to ask. . . but like the previous writer. . . it will come out in the civil lawsuit. God's justice is the ultimate justice! Truth will prevail. I also would like to say on Dr. Klem's defense. . . they are a lot of people in the world that have diseases such as Hep C and Aids that never did drugs or had sex with someone that was invested with the disease. They just was in a bad situation. Maybe they needed a blood transfusion and the blood that was given was infected with aids. I am sure you get the point. There are so many explanations of why Dr. Klem did what he had to do. I am sure if Tina or her husband, Les and his ex wives, or anyone was sitting in the same place. . . they would take the advice of their lawyers - just like you. They must have thought they could not win b/c they signed off on the plea bargain too! So, everyone just needs to know that truth will step forward one day.

Having experienced sexual abuse as a child, I have followed this story for some time and some things that has been said just does not make alot of sense. I do not understand suing innocent people and the church. This, as stated by the "accusers" happened on private property, not church property. Also, why blame the Pastor when it is evident that the parents had the same knowledge of this supposed incident years ago. Are they suing the Pastor out of self-guilt? What could possible stop the Parents from going to the police years ago? It was stated in an interview about eating Christmas dinner with Jeff Klem and "I can't tell you how that gets me" (as if they didn't know what was happening)but by these people's own admission they knew about this and had eaten Christmas dinner with them many time after that. Also, why would someone allow their child to keep going over to the "accused" house? How could any responsible parent DO THAT??? Why would the child WANT to keep going to the "accused" house? Why keep having him scratch your back and watch movies with him, and lay down with him? My problem is, the parents had just as much knowledge as the Pastor of the "accused incident" and did nothing for years! Why?! With that in mind, why sue the Church? This was not claimed to have happened on Church property, so why blame the church? By the accusers own admission they had prior knowledge of this incident also. Why would someone claim to not know if this was right or wrong, when they have been raised up knowing what the Bible says about such things. I'm not saying that none of this is true, it might be, but it might also be false. There are too many unanswered questions. I was abused at a young age also and have never thought of suing innocent people. I have however let God take care of the abusers. One of the abusers was killed in an accident. One of the abusers is in jail for the rest of his life and another abuser lives in poverty. Although, the last abuser is just learning about God and is going to a church in the same town. Maybe he will give his life to God. It has taken many, many years but God has taken care of those people. God said,"Vengeance is His and He will repay" and I have seen this happen. I know, without a doubt, that God will make sure that I am Victorious. I have so many doubts about this "incident" such as, Why sue the Church, Why sue the Pastor, Why not sue the Parents also, Why lay in bed with some that you accuse of this, Why keep going to the accusers house, Why be so jealous over the accusers job, Why worry about what kind of car the Pastor drives(what does that have to do with anything?) Why let that family buy you gifts??? Why try to tear down God's Church, Why agree to a plea bargain and later claim you want the accused to go to jail? I understand that Jeff Klem pleaded guilty, but it has been stated that he pleaded as a result of a plea bargain agreed to by the family. It would seem hard for him to get a fair trial here as so many people already felt like he was guilty without looking at or knowing both sides of the story before making up their mind. So many things about this case just does not make much sense. There are too many unanswered questions. It would seem that this is motivated more by money and jealousy than by actual guilt. Otherwise, it would not involve so many innocent people. Well Time will Tell!!!

It's pretty funny how many times "the truth will come out" has shown up over the last YEAR... Funnier still how the people that say that are supposed Christians. Folks, you know very well that God will never put a Christian through something they can't handle. Pleading guilty is the easy way out, and tells me that the defendant and his confidant - "Pastor" Treadway - don't trust God in the courts the way that they profess to in the pulpit and in these comments sections.

The truth is HERE, people! God's will is not limited to Judgement Day. If these girls were lying and the defendants were innocent, then God would have stop this lawsuit before it ever happened.
Ever wonder why this church has had two splits in ten years, has to sue their own insurance company for a new building, and now has to fight a lawsuit like this? The devil? No, he doesn't have that much power.
Some people actually believe that this church will change the world. It makes me sick to think of how many of Buck Treadway's sermons were about "people problems", when all along he was just setting up "humanity" as a scapegoat to cover up his family's internal problems.

Why does the issue of money always come up? As an ex-member of New Life Tabernacle that was not excommunicated, I can attest that MONEY is what caused these problems - Buck's love of money. I have given so many "love offerings" and watched it get squandered that it's disgusting. A Cadillac sedan, a minivan, an SUV, and a new pickup truck, all for TWO PEOPLE (the "pastor" and his wife)...is that a blessing to the "shepherd", or just plain greediness?
I hope that the girls win a HUGE cash settlement that will put them through college. It's not fair that this freak drives a push-button-start V12 Mercedes, while the girls wonder why their family, friends, and church are being torn apart around them.

Nikki, I'm not surprised that you're defending New Life Tabernacle; if your dad's church wasn't being supported by Buck Treadway, then he wouldn't be pulling in tithes of his own. Let's review that money issue again, shall we...?

Buck's own SON and DAUGHTER have filed against him and his son-in-law. Does it not seem odd to anyone that his eldest two children are involved in this? It's not some conspiracy against a half-crippled, dying man - it's justice, and it is being served.

Also, note that in the article, Marsha and Arnold Hamilton have commented unfavorably toward Buck Treadway's methods...the Hamiltons sat front row, center, and supported EVERYTHING the "pastor" did. Also, their daughter is married to the son of New Life Christian Academy's principal.
Imagine the grief that they must be going through with their daughter and son-in-law (who is a total momma's boy). Does anyone think that the Hamiltons are out for money?

Marsha was in charge of assigning members of the "ministry" to visiting and following up on visitors and friends of the church. Many of the lower-social-class visitors were ignored completely, or Rev. Nishi - the youngest, newest, and most boring member of the staff - would be assigned to them. Buck Treadway and Assistant Pastor Johnson only visited the wealthy visitors and friends. In fact, there are several people who have the databases saved for the purpose of presenting them to the UPCI, and I have seen them myself.

To the writer of comment 23. There must be more Nikki's in this world. My father has passed and has never pastored a church. Again - - wrong facts and garbaged spread! Another fact that is wrong is that Pastor Treadways daughter has not sued anyone. I think it just his money hungry son and his two ex-wifes and Tina (which must be money hungry to) The fact is. . . it is not wrong or people to drive nice cars if they can afford it. I also know that the Hamilton's daughter had a life changing surgery. Pastor Treadways church raised money and gave it to the family to help support that surgery. Yeah. . . lets talk money again! It has also been brought up in the comments that Tina McDaniels address comes up the same as Dr. Klem. I wonder if Dr. Klem and his wife helped them purchase a house or -are they living with them. I have a child that use to hang out with girls that are accusing. I so happen know that they had left New Life Tabernacle long before this lawsuit was filed. How were these girls forced to leave when they had alreay left b/c their father refused to supply them with a house! It is also clearly stated that Tina was already looking for a new church - so she left on her on free will. How were they disfellowshiped! Les Treadways girls were forced to find a place to live b/c their father Les Treadway sold their house out from under them. I am glad that I had to move out from the area b/c it grieves my heart to see Les Treadway and his co-consipirators(ex-wives and tina) trying to destroy his father and his church.

I would also like to bring to the attention to the writer that said God does not allow bad things to happen to good people. Explain Job - - he had friends just like you starring at him saying the same things. Yet God gave him twice as much back when God decided to restore him. There are many examples of God allowing people just like you and the accusers to come against innocent people. Look at the story of Joseph. he was innocent. . . in fac the story is like like this one. It was family members that betrayed him and sold him into slavery. he throw into prison b/c he was accused of sexual misconduct. BUT IN THE END HE WAS THE RULER OVER THE NATION AND SAVED HIS OWN FAMILY THAT SOLD HIM INTO SLAVERY!!!!!!! You need to read the bible youzer!!!!!!! Better yet. . . why dont you try praying for all parties involved. If you read the Word of God. . . you would know that the Bible commands that. Instead - - you choose to pass around false rumors and accusations.

Nikki

Thanks for keeping things real Nikki. The Hamiltons and Yowzer has proved that they are no sheep, but wolves. No surprise to me. And jealousy about their vehicles...please. Is that what gets you Yowzer, Vehicle envy?

Perhaps it's time someone did the math. In a previous comment the question was raised as to why the McDaniels live in a home that is in the name of Dr. Klem. Well, that's an easy one to answer. Due to Tina and Shawn McDaniels gross inability to handle money, history of home repossession as well as history of bankruptcy, they had no alternative but to seek a home that the owners would be kind enough to owner finance for them. Just as ironical is the fact that over the years Tina has been known to borrow grocery money time and time again from her friends, yet, due to her 'wannabe' nature, continues to wear a Rolex watch. I even personally heard her 'counsel' someone who was considering bankruptcy and urged them purchase a new vehicle and to totally max out their credit line before filing. And it should not at all come as a surprise that all the other parties whom have taken legal action in this matter are in dire financial straits also. The 'Bankruptcy Bunch' have always been known as parasites looking for a host. Yes, Ashlyn and Brea are indeed victims. They are the victims of absentee parents. Their mother trolled the streets searching for drugs and places to make a buck dancing while their father sold the only home they knew and rented a bedroom from an old lady so he would not have to deal with them. Randee was the victim of a ranting, Hepatitis C ridden
pathetic excuse of a mother/woman and she, too, has had no choice but to seek refuge elsewhere. And how many law suits does Tina have on the burner right now? Look it up and you will find that you can't count them on one hand. Neither can you count on one hand the men she has accused of child molestion. There was Dr. Klem, her current father-in-law, her current husband, her step-father and the list goes on and on. And it is indeed interesting that she 'waited' to charge Dr. Klem until he was an established physician. Perhaps it was for the same reason that she waited until her brother received significant insurance funds from the death of his spouse before taking him to court in an attempt to get custody of his children. This is a sick, pathetic excuse for a human being, let alone a mother, and when her harvest comes in I expect her misery to be ten thousand times worse than that which she has caused.

Perhaps it's time someone did the math. In a previous comment the question was raised as to why the McDaniels live in a home that is in the name of Dr. Klem. Well, that's an easy one to answer. Due to Tina and Shawn McDaniels gross inability to handle money, history of home repossession as well as history of bankruptcy, they had no alternative but to seek a home that the owners would be kind enough to owner finance for them. Just as ironical is the fact that over the years Tina has been known to borrow grocery money time and time again from her friends, yet, due to her 'wannabe' nature, continues to wear a Rolex watch. I even personally heard her 'counsel' someone who was considering bankruptcy and urged them purchase a new vehicle and to totally max out their credit line before filing. And it should not at all come as a surprise that all the other parties whom have taken legal action in this matter are in dire financial straits also. The 'Bankruptcy Bunch' have always been known as parasites looking for a host. Yes, Ashlyn and Brea are indeed victims. They are the victims of absentee parents. Their mother trolled the streets searching for drugs and places to make a buck dancing while their father sold the only home they knew and rented a bedroom from an old lady so he would not have to deal with them. Randee was the victim of a ranting, Hepatitis C ridden
pathetic excuse of a mother/woman and she, too, has had no choice but to seek refuge elsewhere. And how many law suits does Tina have on the burner right now? Look it up and you will find that you can't count them on one hand. Neither can you count on one hand the men she has accused of child molestion. There was Dr. Klem, her current father-in-law, her current husband, her step-father and the list goes on and on. And it is indeed interesting that she 'waited' to charge Dr. Klem until he was an established physician. Perhaps it was for the same reason that she waited until her brother received significant insurance funds from the death of his spouse before taking him to court in an attempt to get custody of his children. This is a sick, pathetic excuse for a human being, let alone a mother, and when her harvest comes in I expect her misery to be ten thousand times worse than that which she has caused.

Wow! It seems as though you all have allowed what satan would want you to & you all have turned the tables from what really is the situation to attacking. I think each of you should read back over each comment you took so much time to write. This is "supposed" to be about a man that pled guilty to his crime & only received 10% of what he should have in the aspects of the plea. As most of you "very smart writers" know this happens everyday but not everyday does it destroy a church family. There are still those like Keri that choose to follow no matter what happens. There are those like Nicki that for whatever reason you have decided to attack people you for sure don't know. Then there is Just the Facts! Do you tuly know the facts? Where you really there when the girls were being fondled? Where you at the church meeting (I a sure you were)? Do you know Tina & her family? Do you know her past? Did you truly live with Les to know exactly what he was thinking & why he did things he did? Do you know the Hamiltons or yowser? Everyone needs help from time to time & even if you don't believe it this truly is not about ANY OF YOU!!!! It is about the girls & somewhere all of you have lost that. This situation DESTROYED minds of children & a church family!!!!!!!!! There are those that depended on being fed the TRUTH and it all was wrapped around lies. Maybe all of you should think about what you are really fighting for?

Why Codemn?

You know Nicki the more I read of your comments I am sure that all the "other" Nicki's are ashamed to have the same name. It amazes me the way you say garbage is being spread yet you have no reluctance to mention names or situations like "life changing surgeries". I am pretty sure none of this you are mentioning is about money. AND again you were not there. If you know so much about this database as you say where the pastor & others were only visiting wealthy then why would you codemn others & not them? Did you see the Hamilton's on the front row in the meeting? Where you there with their daughter during her surgery, that you clearly know nothing about! If we are talking about money I am sure we could go deep in the past 30 years of New Life & all be ashamed of where it leads us. Every organization takes up money for all reasons and just because someone accepted it a long time ago when they clearly knew nothing of the pit that was going on at New Life doesn't make them money hungry or are you jealous that this wasn't you? I really think a lot of what is being said in the comments is jealousy & again allowed a situation that should be about others take a new side entirely.

Why are people using this forum as a sounding board for their apparent disapproval of Pastor Treadway and New Life Tabernacle? Why are many of you afraid of signing your name? I have been silent, but I will not stand by and allow my name to be ran through the dirt. Whoever former member yowzers is, please do not insult my character by stating that I only visited the wealthy friends of New Life. Your comment is tasteless and untrue. I ask you to come to me and have enough of a "spine" to look me straight in the eye and spill your filthy vomit at my feet. I will then assist you in cleaning it up, forgive you, and pray that God would heal your tormented spirit.

I am embarassed that former members of the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ are lowering themselves to such disgusting tactics.

Sincerely submitted in an attempt to bring healing,

Charles M. Johnson, II

This is unreal...I have never been more shocked by people than through this situation. If you could sit and look at the characters of the people involved, you would have a clearer understanding of the facts. Jeff Klem is handling his situation - New Life has nothing to do with him. Did the defendents sue Wal-Mart because I heard he may have been a regular there too. I guarantee you they have more money than NLT. Jim, you're pathetic and we all know who you are. You used to be a friend and now you're some pitiful child fighting a battle you know nothing about. I won't mention names but the couple who was quoted in the article, you have disappointed me. I used to look up to you both. I have stood by your side and by your family's side. I have never seen such a miserable display as I did at a friend's wedding. You proved your character then when you wouldn't even shake a former friend's hand. Did you so easily forget who was with you when you were going through devastating circumstances? As far as the other man who is quoted is concerned...is this like your 5th church in 10 years? Hmmmm....where might the problem be? And hilarious is how I would describe the comment about the ministry only visiting the rich. As someone who does not fit in that category, I can attest for the opposite. The ministers of New Life traveled hundreds of miles to be with my family when my uncle died and Pastor Johnson was at my house at 4 a.m. five months ago when my dad died. To anyone reading this who is not affiliated with the situation, understand that there are more facts to be revealed. Wait for that day. Just wait. Kari Dolan - Yes, that's really who I am...

now that is the spirit we all need,NOT THAT hating get even spirit that tina the money hungry jealous women has
THANK YOU MR.JOHNSON THAT HELPED ME OUT ALOT

I am not sure who Nikki is....my name is Nicki and I have been heretofore uninvolved. Please do not be confused about whom you are speaking of. Henceforth address NIKKI as such and leave NICKI out of your senseless ramblings....by the way, I agree with much of what the other NIKKI says! Kari...you are the best. I love my pastor, church and church family members (current and former). I wish all of you the best and pray for your spiritual, mental and physical health. Those of you involved in slander risk not only your mental health, but also your souls in that one of the 7 sins that God hates is "sowing discord among the brethren." Please for your own sakes do not risk the salvation of your souls for people you don't really seem to care for. Wouldn't it be ironic if you lost out on heaven because God held you responsible for gossip, slander and carelessly "sowing discord." May God bless you and keep you and let His face shine upon you.

For comment #23 (yowzers) I can see you are bitter at my Pastor and our church for some reason. I will tell you my name Is Jacob Willis, Nicki is my wife. Up until now I have been silent in all this I love everyone of my church family the ones here and the ones that have left. My father n law doesn't take a dime off of that daughter work sponsered by New Life Tabernacle and PASTOR TREADWAY, have some respect will ya!! That wasn't my wife that made those prevous remarks you need to get your facts straight, and keep her out of this!(Thank You very much) Jeff, Beth, Pastor, Sis Treadway,& New Life Tabernacle I love you all. I love all those that have elected to leave and attend another church. God Bless every one, Keep you head up. Thats were our help comes from, from the Lord that made Heaven and Earth!

I truly think this is a horrible example of any religion and for sure I know this is not Christians on this forum. It is as Why Codemn stated this has become about something that is not even the root of the problem. I am ashamed to think that our paths have ever crossed (any of you)! I don't know you indivudually but I can see there is so much rage between you all. It amazes me the family, friends, church members any of you that say the things you say. Yowser you are deeply disturbed. Kari, I am just not sure how you could ever call your self a friend of any of these the way you talk. Friends just don't give in like that no matter what the other hand does (or should I say "true" friends). If you are not happy you should be able to move on to where you can serve the Lord under the leadership that can lead you & you shouldn't be condemed for doing so yet it seems that those that have chose to move on are not respected for following their own soul through prayer. I truly hope all of you find peace but I don't see that for any of you that have left comments upto this time. I also hope that somewhere the children in this mess are saved and find answers & they don't look to any of you for them because you only offer turmoil. Jeff Klem will stand trial if it be now or later; nothing goes unnoticed with God (not even comments that you all make).

Les Treadway - - I know you. You and I have grown up together in the youth group and church. Your biggest problem is that you do not know how to appreciate the blessing of life. You need to take about sixty seconds and take a real look in the mirror. If you would do that one time - - you would see a pathetic indiviual. As a father - - you have supplied no home for your chilren. You allowed your oldest sister and her husband Dr. Klem to supply a home for your oldest son b/c he was afraid of your ex-wife/cousins oldest daughter. By the way - - would you let your children marry one of their counsins like you did? You have never been there for your children. The interview you gave on television was repulsive. Your quote words was, "I left after church one Sunday morning and went to my girls house. . . " Whose house did you go to. . . You ex in laws house or their son's house or the house that you rented to a man that beats his wife. Your kids told the truth on you. It was not your sister or father. It was YOUR children. They ran their mouth to anyone that would listen. They never wanted to go to your house or their mother's house. All they wanted was parents. I am very ashamed of what is rumored. You and your cousin/ex wife is trying to make it look like that your marriage fell apart b/c of Dr. Klem and your father. Well. . . explain to us why you were married to your cousin/ex wife for months before she even moved in with you. You should re-examine your life. You sister and Dr. Klem paid for the only college education that your son has. The truck that you drive. . . your father helped supply to you. The truck that your son drives. . . your father help supply. The car that your daughter drives. . . your co-conspirator (tina and her husband) help supply. What have you supplied? What have you contributed to your own children's life? Sad to say, but the man that you are accusing of molesting your daughters have supplied more to your children than what you have?! As a son, your level of familyship is even worse. Remember I am someone that went to church with you for years. I was at the meeting that your father tried to stand up for you and your children's mom. Yet the appreciation you gave your parents was more humilation, pain, and suffering. You thanks them by drinking, doing alcohol, and a life that they did not teach you. Who taught you to do those things? I have seen your parents carry you through many sad situations in your life. How you can team up with someone like Tina McDaniel is beyond me?! You are being led around by your nose. Is she black mailing you? You have been at the heart of every one of our church splits. . . yet your parents still love you. You need to shake yourself and run to your father and make amends. Your father is a much bigger person than you are! This church has seen your family welcome you back with open arms every time you pull something ridiculous. We will do it again when Tina has used you and disposed of you. Your father has been sick and has needed the support of you, your family, and your church. Yet again. . .look at what you are doing. All of this would be alittle more believable if you had been a part of your children's lives. All of this would be a little more believable if this was the first time that you have turned against your family and tried to humilate them in the public. All of this would be a little more beleivable if it was coming from a person that had the capability of caring for other people other than yourself. The people that have spoke out against your father - - has been people that really dont know you or your children! Please - I reason with you. . . Shake yourself and realize that your being used by Tina to help build a case against your father. Your father will not always be around. Make amends while you can! Straighten up and be a father to your children. Show them how to do the right thing. Teach them to be a better child than you are! My opinion is based on the life that you have lived. I was around the church long before most people. Our church still loves you. We would like to see you do the right thing for once. You owe to yourself and to your children. One of their parents needs to straighten up and teach them how to be a mate, child, and a good decent moral person. Will that person finally be you even though they are almost grown!

A person that knows the real you!

I am someone else that also knows most of the parties involved. Les you are getting entangled in web that you will not be able to loosen yourself from. The fact that you would sue your father - - is a low even for you. I would like to address the person that said they hoped that these money hungry people get a large cash settlement. Why would you expect any thing less. They have been taking from people for a very long time. The only thing that I would fault Pastor Treadway in is that he did not report his son, Les Treadway and their mother to CPS. I guess he did not see a need since his oldest daughter was supplying a life for those kids. When Dr. Klem and Beth wasn't supplying the life. . . then their grandparents were. Whether it was Les parents or his estranged wives parents. I fault Pastor in loving Les to much! Pastor Treadway has shown his love for ALL of his kids. . . even the one that you guys call not beautiful or vibrant! Les if you don't love the mother and father that God has given you. . . then please move on with the new family that you have created for yourself per the news in the Golden Triangle. Would you be happier if your father was dead? Do you get the same pleasure from hurting the ones that have supplied your kids with the necessities of life. If Dr. Klem is guilty - - then he should suffer. . . but the truth is. . . only Dr. Klem knows and those girls know. You should not take you anger out on your father and his church. I too feel as the writer stated previously. . . you can lie to strangers and get some people to stand by your side. But for those of us who know you, your ex-wives, Tina, her husband, and the lifestyle that you have allowed your children to live. . . makes it hard for any of us to beleive. For the first time. . . your kids finally have their mom and dad talking. You have been a bitter soul and person. If these accusations were true. . . the way you and your ex wife has raised your children - has made them unbelievable. The responsiblity of this situation lies on your shoulders, the mother of your childrens shoulders, and anyone else that has enabled you. Your children have been victims long before your sister married Dr. Klem. They have been victims from the day they were born. They have had not guidance from their parents. They have had no one to properly guide them. I do feel sorry for your kids b/c they are your victims as is your mother, father, Dr. Klem, Elizabeth, and our wonderful church. If this is the only success that you can be proud of. . . that is pretty pitiful. Again. . . come home and you will find the love, grace, mercy, and forgiveness that you desparately need. You will receive it even though you have never given it.

Your Friend that is trying to reach you!

Wow! Look at all the comments. Better yet, look at all the names! It's amazing how easily defendants will meet their offenders with the EXACT SAME TACTICS (dropping names and judgement). Why is it so wrong to blame the "pastor" and the good doctor, as opposed to blaming the girls? Even if the girls were lying through their teeth, excommunication is NOT what a responsible and level-headed pastor would do, especially to his own grandkids.
Charles M. Johnson, II, what makes you think that anyone here is a "former member of the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ"? Isn't it possible to be a member of the Church of God without being a member of the Church of Treadway? If I vomited on your tithe-bought alligator shoes, you would be cleaning it up yourself. I have indeed faced you recently, and you didn't have the "spine" to shake my hand and say "hello", despite pretending for years how much you cared. One soul isn't worth the world, after all.
Mr. Willis, please forgive me for bringing your wife into the discussion (and then render that forgiveness null, since she decided to jump in anyway). I don't know you, but I knew her, and the original post sounded like something she might say.
As for the rest of the New Lifers: it seems to me that ignoring Buck's request to stay out of these discussions is pretty disrespectful to the "pastor" in itself...but maybe that's only if the pastor knows about it...?

To "A person that knows"...keep in mind where all the things that Les's father "supplied" really came from: the church's offerings.

Dear Forgive, If I can be presumptuous and speak on behalf of my church family, it's not rage you hear in our comments...it's disappointment in people we have loved and cared for/with for many years only to have many of them backstab at first chance. Not because they left NLT because that is their right but because in their wake they have tried to take down a church, pastor and former fellowship that have nothing to do with the Jeff Klem case. If you are someone who has followed the situation you will attest that NLT ministry and members have kept quiet for the most part. We have not given interviews or appeared on the news with "facts" we have heard from questionable people. We have sat and listened to horrible lies being spread and just kept on living. From the beginning of this situation I have said I will not get involved in the Jeff Klem case because I do not know the facts. I do know that Beth is probably the saddest victim because her pure and genuine heart only knows to try to help people and look how she is being treated now. However, when I read a news report that so horribly slanders my pastor, his wife and family and when I read comments that state things about New Life like the ministers only visiting the rich, I cannot be silent anymore. My human nature wants to hurl comments and "facts" that I, too, have heard, but I will not. Like I said before, ultimately the truth will be revealed. I remain friends with many of the people who left NLT and I harbor no ill will. All I ask is the ones who have chosen to leave...leave it all. Leave your comments, leave your baggage, leave your anger...If you are wanting to make a new life, please do so and allow those of us who have stayed at New Life to work to make it a place where we can welcome those in need of a refuge from the storms of life.

Dear Forgive, If I can be presumptuous and speak on behalf of my church family, it's not rage you hear in our comments...it's disappointment in people we have loved and cared for/with for many years only to have many of them backstab at first chance. Not because they left NLT because that is their right but because in their wake they have tried to take down a church, pastor and former fellowship that have nothing to do with the Jeff Klem case. If you are someone who has followed the situation you will attest that NLT ministry and members have kept quiet for the most part. We have not given interviews or appeared on the news with "facts" we have heard from questionable people. We have sat and listened to horrible lies being spread and just kept on living. From the beginning of this situation I have said I will not get involved in the Jeff Klem case because I do not know the facts. I do know that Beth is probably the saddest victim because her pure and genuine heart only knows to try to help people and look how she is being treated now. However, when I read a news report that so horribly slanders my pastor, his wife and family and when I read comments that state things about New Life like the ministers only visiting the rich, I cannot be silent anymore. My human nature wants to hurl comments and "facts" that I, too, have heard, but I will not. Like I said before, ultimately the truth will be revealed. I remain friends with many of the people who left NLT and I harbor no ill will. All I ask is the ones who have chosen to leave...leave it all. Leave your comments, leave your baggage, leave your anger...If you are wanting to make a new life, please do so and allow those of us who have stayed at New Life to work to make it a place where we can welcome those in need of a refuge from the storms of life.

That's good in theory, Kari, but if "I harbor no ill will" is put side-by-side with your previous post, then I'd say that you were lying, and I'm pretty sure that "Jim" and the articles interviewees (which remain unnamed) would agree with me. I sincerely hope that you do remain friends with those people, and I hope that you realize eventually that "those in need of a refuge from the storms of life" include the girls in this article. I would hate to see you "work" so hard to build a refuge that excommunicates and bans people who have serious problems.

Having read all of the comments, I know how hard that it can be to remain silent especially in the face of such disregard, and unbelief of God's Word. God's word is very explicit about not gossiping, spreading discord among the brethren and disrespecting God's Ministry. I would like to reiterate that Pastor Treadway does not have a church, God Does! It was God that purchased the Church with HIS OWN BLOOD, and when people spread venom and spew hatred toward His Blood Bought Church then that person is on very dangerous ground. See
EPHESIANS 5:31-32
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour,
and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye KIND one to another, Tenderhearted, Forgiving
one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven
you.
Proverbs 6:16-19 These six things doth the LORD HATE: yea, seven
are an abomination unto him:.....he that soweth discord among
brethren.

Whenever you tear down any church and ministry, your words can destroy hungry souls. When someone brings dissension among God's people(church) there are very stiff penalties. God is WELL capable of taking care of His Church. Please do not let those with venom needle you into reactionary arguments, rather (if you must respond) use your sword (the Bible) to respond as THAT WORD IS SOOOO MUCH MORE POWERFUL than anything that we can say.

I'm not in any place to either condemn or defend any of the parties represented in the written comments concerning this article. So, hopefully with a sincere sense of neutrality concerning this issue, here are my thoughts:1.Whose side should we take regarding this very tragic situation? Simple.God's. Because he never takes sides...he simply takes over and thats what everyone needs to let happen. Because only HE thoroughly and ultimately knows the real truth of the alleged events. None of us were there, the only ones present were the lives that will forever be affected by these fateful events, and regardless of where the innocence and guilt lies, everyone affected is already I'm sure irrevocably scarred. So regardless of all the heated defensiveness, defamation, accusations and attacks on one another's character, God loves all of you...victims, victimizers and vindicators alike.
2.It's tempting I know to not give in to the internal solicitation of our own opinion, but 99.9% of the time it really doesn't help the situation...it only contributes to the discord that already exists and someone that causes dissension is the person that God really despises. I think it would profit the UPC far better to get rid of their phones and emails than worry about the ill effects of a television ( At least with TV you keep your sins within the privacy of your own home and not networked all over the neighborhood and city)
3.Our best approach, though its unlikely most will follow through with it, will be to do what Mary the mother of Jesus did in response to everything she heard concerning the life of her son from the lips of an angel who announced him as a savior to the forlorn words of Simeon who warned her that a sword would pierce her very soul. By simply meditating quietly to herself and keeping all these things in her heart, she was at least able to endure the days ahead and though pondering didn't prevent the inevitable from happening nor saved her from a broken heart, she at least didn't fulfill the meaning of her own name...”bitterness”. Though her circumstance was...her heart wasn't.
4.Hopefully true justice will be served so that the truly guilty will pay their proper restitution and the truly innocent will once again be esteemed. But remember, justice may try to be blind but often times it can still smell money. Now understand that, justly or unjustly, there may be those that lose their freedom, their reputation, their trust in authority of all kinds, their confidence in the judicial system and there may be some who will even lose close friends and alliances but nobody...and I mean nobody need lose their soul. Its horribly unfortunate what has happened but it's all salvageable and God's grace will be sufficient to help all those concerned to forgive, make recompense and maybe even one day reconcile. For there is a final day of judgment coming.
Your fellow fallen Angel

If it was not so serious it would be laughable when I read these ridiculus comments, apparently most of you know nothing about sexual assault/abuse of children. If you did, you would stay focused on the issue and not try to hang out all the family's dirty laundry (if there really is any). It is not unusual for people to try to shift the focus away from the perpetrator (Dr. Klem and Beth) and onto the victims and their family's (projection). It is also not unusual for perpetrator to shower his victims with material things (baiting) to have their way with them. As for Tina McDaniel it's apparent that it was her persistence that brought this horrible abuse to light and I applaud her for this. I wish there were more Tina's in the world that had the guts and spiritual fortitude to stand up for victim and subject themselves to the horrible verbal abuse that has been dealt her. As I read these comments I wonder how you would react if your child or grandchild was abused by one of these perpetrator's and maybe they are but are to afraid to tell you!!

"Anyone who posts more comments will recieve a letter of release excusing you from our services."
I had a good laugh at this. These comments are going to suddenly get a lot less interesting...

Child Advocate, I like your last line. Most of these people have children, and I doubt that any of them are allowed near Dr. Klem, even before his probation order. Charles would leave the church in a New York minute if this had happened to his daughter, and Kari would make a website devoted to it if it happened to her daughter, complete with inspirational videos and a new judgmental blog everyday.

To the person who wrote comment #44: You are NOT Hiro Nishi. I have known Pastor Treadway for a number of years and I have never known of him to require the assistance of another party to deliver an important message for him. Be mindful of your fraudulent impersonations. Your actions could land you in a situation with consequences which are much greater than what you are prepared to deal with.

Ladies and gentlemen...I understand that some of you have axes to grind with one another...as senseless as that is....but PLEASE, let's not lose focus. This is a situation where a Doctor (a cardiologist non-the-less) has admitted fondling multiple children. Did I say MULTIPLE children????? He has gone before a judge and ADMITTED that he fondled them. Even after hiring an expensive lawyer and listening to his council, Jeff admitted to fondling them. The children that wanted to were even permitted to address him and condemn him to his face for what he did. True he was allowed to "end run" registering as a sex offender and even allowed (for the time being) to keep his medical licensee...but the facts are that he admitted to it ALL...EVERYTHING!!!

The kind of man Les is or what anyone's real motives are is of no consequence. It doesn't REALLY matter who has sponsored Les's children or given them the little guidance they've had as they've grown up. It's not even important that Bro. Treadway is money hungry and loves spending the church's money on lavish things in life. (I actually feel sorry for the church and it's members.)

What IS important is that all of us understand that these children...young, impressionable, and sweet little girls as they were...have had to carry the weight of what Jeff Klem did to them for a long time. Jeff Klem is a child molester...and has admitted to it...pure and simple.

So say what you will about one another...but don't forget these young girls and the ordeal they've gone through. It has not and will never be easy for them to remember what a selfish, self-centered, self-serving, idiot of a man named Jeff Klem did to them.

To the pseudo Hiro Nishi, author of comment #49: You are a sick and demented piece of scum who is not worthy to stand in the shadow of Hiro Nishi. And you lied again when you stated that I've been asked to not comment on this article. How have you concluded that I am a member of NLT? You would be best served to gather acurate facts before publicly babbling your nonsense.

Just the Facts!: if you weren't a member of New Life Tabernacle, then one would wonder how you could claim to know so many personal details about the Treadways and various members/ex-members of the church.
I know who you are, and you are overcompensating. You always have. I'll bet that Mr. Nishi knows more than you believe him to.

(SINGING)...(LOUDLY)
JESUS LOVES THE LITTLE CHILDREN
ALL THE CHILDREN OF THE WORLD
RED, YELLOW, BLACK AND WHITE
PUT EM TOGETHER AND WATCH THEM FIGHT
JESUS LOVES YOU TOO???????
tsk tsk (sarcastic tone begins here) such a warm fuzzy feeling of the "Love of God" here in fact I've seen and felt more love at a slaughter house....
LOL
The Libertine

I agree how can any of you claim to be Christians. ALL of you should be ashamed. You all make the Pentecostal relegion look awful. I am amazed at how childish each and every one of you is being. I hope none of you are adults, if so, how sad. I hope you have taught your children to behave better than you are. You get on here and leave the most degrading, gossiping, stupid comments, and then don't even leave your real names. Like I said ALL of you should be ashamed. Quit gossiping. Quit minding other people's business. Quit worrying about what others are saying about you. Start praying. If ALL of you would spend the time you have spent here praying, maybe you would not be in the situation you are in today. Like I said, you don't help the Pentecostal reputation at all. GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Start acting like children of GOD!!!!!!!!!!

To #55: I would be careful about telling people to grow-up and such. Apparently, this is an important and emotionally charged story for alot of people. Unless you are involved personally- you couldn't possibly know how difficult the situation has been. I suspect that you probably have no idea how much time any of these persons spend praying either. Be careful about shaming people for expressing their feelings. It seems as if you must have been interested enough to read the comments. Maybe you should have been praying instead of reading. Sometimes anonymity allows a person to express true feelings and the facts the way they see them without fear of repercussions. Don't be so quick to think you wouldn't respond to someone directly criticizing your family members or the church that you attend (if you do).

I do go to church. And, I would never air out my church family's dirty laundry no matter what. If you need to vent, vent to GOD!!! I guess the sterotype about Pentecostal's is true. You guys love to gossip and stir up trouble.

Comment #50 That is a real Christian thing to say to someone....I dont understand why you people are getting so angry at these comments people are leaving if you dont agree with them them you dont agree just ignore it and keep on going on with your own business because apprently in your mind you know what is the truth this is getting way to overated...

AMEN AMANDA!!!!

Comment for #58. The person that wrote #50 is not Charles Johnson. You have no idea what kind of people we are dealing with. Once again, people are attacking our church, ministers and members and still refer to themselves as Christians. So, do you really think the things you are doing are Christ-like?

I’m just on the outside looking in but if you just stick to the facts, this issue is not as complicated as most of you think. I understand someone is innocent until proven guilty but you people have totally lost site of the issue here. You have a pedophile that pled guilty of molesting multiple children. For those of you who think this man plead guilty for any other reason other than he is guilty, then you have your head in the sand. He was smart enough to do what ever it took to stay away from the courtroom and face a jury that could have and should have put him away for a long time.

You have a pastor that rebuked the victims and uplifted the pedophile. How anyone could continue to support and make excuses for a pastor that would put a pedophile before the many victims is beyond my way of thinking. Regardless if this man is his son-in-law or not, right is right and wrong is wrong. As for the victim’s parents to be drug through the mud is appalling to me. How did Christian people get so twisted? It’s OK to admit you were wrong not believe or support the children (as hard as that is for me to understand) but to continue just makes you look stupid!

I just hope the children are not reading all this mess. They should have nothing to be ashamed of and they are not alone. Many children are abused everyday and some are supported and some or not, shame on any of you that blame the children or their parents for what has happened to them. You only have the pedophile to blame for all of this and he’s probably laughing all the way to jail that he has so many supporters.

It’s understandable why it’s so hard for children to tell of this most horrible abuse.

God bless the children and their families.

You can't hide from God! He knows every thought that passes thru our puny little minds. He knows every stroke of our keyboards, He Knows the imposters, He knows those sewing discord. He knows Me and He knows You! Think about that!

outside looking in, it amazes me that everyone is an expert on child abuse. you said it clearly (OUTSIDE LOOKING IN). it seems to me you are drawing you conclusion based on the article that you have read, actually it seems pretty evident!

Thank you Outside looking in, and "THANK YOU" to all those who believe (CHILDREN) have a voice, and "ARE WORTHY OF JUSTIFYING" and "ARE WORTH THE FIGHT"!!!

The last few comments are right on the money. It's sad that half a church can stand behind one man instead of standing behind six young people.

I just couldn¡¦t keep quiet, sorry if this is too wordy but I could have written pages!

Ricky, your comments in #20 shows that apparently you don¡¦t know the facts about people that molest children.

„« #1. Most abusers commit many crimes against children before they are ever found out.
„« #2. Most abusers have a spotless record; they work very hard for this so the victims will not be believed even when they do tell someone.
„« #3. Sometimes it takes a child many years before they tell and from this case that¡¦s understandable.
„« #4. The abuser is betting on people not believing the children, especially if he is a regular church attendee and a good thither!
„« #5. Regardless of any of the allegations against Les and his ex wives, Tina and her husband they have nothing to do with what happened to the children It¡¦s amazing how good people can be run through the mud because they take a stand against child abuse.
„« #6. As for the explanation of why Klem plead guilty, there is only one reason for that and that is because he is guilty! If he had a lawyer that convinced him to plead guilty to something he didn¡¦t do, he¡¦s as dumb as dirt!
„« #7. Regardless of what you might think, the prosecutors in these cases can do whatever they want as far as a plea, with or without the blessing of the family. Maybe they went along because they were hoping the Houston Judge would not accept the plea and that¡¦s exactly what happened!
„« #8. Ricky, did you ever consider that maybe Tina didn¡¦t know about the abuse while Klem was a resident; you¡¦ve made a lot of assumptions with your comments.

Nikki, your comments in #19 also shows your misguided anger. Why are you spending all this time putting down the victims (Tina, Les and there families) and ignoring the real problem and that is, there is a pedophile among your flock.

„« #1. What difference does it make who she bought her house from and if it was owner financed or not, this happens every day in America!
„« #2. I don¡¦t see Tina trying to destroy a church, I see a pastor that upheld a pedophile and allowed him to roam the church for more victims, I¡¦d be a little upset myself.
„« #3. I am applaud that you would stoop to give Tina¡¦s husband and his father advice on what they should do, are you a marriage counselor? Again, this has nothing to do with the issue.
„« #4. As for the law suit, since when did anything get attention until money¡¦s involved. Do you really think the pastor would have gone to the extremes he has if a suit had not been filed? What about Klem, I guess you would slap him on the hand and let him go about the lifestyle of the rich and famous! The truth is these children are victims and if money is all they get it still want be enough to erase the memories of someone that they trusted violating them.
„« #5. I wanted to throw up when you stated, ¡§Dr. Kem,,,your innocence will prevail¡¨, give me a break, yes truth will prevail but you can beat your boodie it want be his innocence.

Grace and Mercy, I don¡¦t know what bible you read but I remember something about ¡§abiding by the laws of the land¡¨ and the last time I checked it is against the law to molest children. I am glad you found peace from your abuse and I hope these victims find the same.

„« #1. As for your comment, ¡§I do not understand suing innocent people¡¨ what¡¦s that about, did you not know Klem plead guilty! And did the pastor not know Klem was a pedophile and as I wrote before he let him roam the church for more victims? If this happened in a day care would the families not have reason to believe the day care would dismiss someone if they were made aware they were abusing children?
„« #2. Is it possible to think that Les may have thought that this touching would stop after it was brought to light? Is it not true the children had to apologize to Klem for what they said he did? No one knows what Les was thinking but I don¡¦t think we should be making assumptions to that.
„« #3. I can¡¦t even believe your comment on why the children returned to Klem and Beth¡¦s home after the abuse, I want even go there.
„« #4. As for being jealous over the accuser¡¦s job, where did that come from? You people are spending so much time trying to move the issue onto material things and are purposely trying to forget and confuse the issue. We have victims here that their lives will be forever changed.

Forgive me, but I can¡¦t remember who stated ¡§poor Beth¡¨, that is laughable. Isn¡¦t Beth the aunt to these children, is she not the one that had these girls dress up in the night gowns and parade around in front of her husband? These girls had every right to believe their aunt Beth would protect them and if the abuse happened in her bed they would think there had to be a logical reason. People, we are talking about children and not adults with all your life experiences.

I¡¦m not judging any of you for your comments, but think about what you are saying and the people¡¦s lives you are affecting.

For Tina and Les, my prayers are with you, continue to stand up for your children and don¡¦t dwell on all the negative comments; it only shows how desperate these people are!!! Many good things can come from the money (if any) from this despicable act, I hope you get enough to buy a house as that seams to be a concern to all, ha! You have to laugh to keep from crying sometimes, keep your head up!

I am the grandfather of Randee Mcdaniel, I even help to name her, I was there when she was born. I have a problem with the pastor that could go against the his own grand children and his own son over a man whoever he is and might not be his son-in-law in the future anyway because he could divorce his daughter anyway and his own children and grand kids will be gone now, how much hurt has he put on them for this sick doctor, I would not want him to work on my heart, even if I was in trouble, this pastor whom I have known for a good many years is a spineless repper-bate and is not worthy of leading a person let alone a flock, and the upc organation should step in a long time ago and removed him, is that not what the law does, go get them when a complaint is file, and welfare also go get the children as soon as they can they don,t hesitate at all. why should they do it. I would not go to the church where he pastors. My pastor would not have sit by and let this thing go as far as it did, he would have not held up for this doctor, and went against any chilren let alone his own, this man is just a man not a king, and we should not cover up his sins, for the Bible says that your SINS WILL FIND YOU OUT!!!!! I will be in court if the LORD is willing!!!! I will go against him and support the children!!!! Randee's PAW William Glenn Munson

I wonder if Beth will be availiable after all this....she's hot!!! Grrrrrr
and of legal age. I'd like to dress her up in a nightie I'll tell ya!!!!
TL

You know WHAT? If the pastor is wrong or right God will deal with that! With that being said, even though Saul was dead wrong David WOULD NOT TOUCH GOD'S ANOINTED. You people beat all I have ever saw You need to read the account of David and Saul in samuel. David even repented b/c he cut off the end of saul garmet while saul was sleeping, even though Saul asked A servant to kill his with the sword, David still had that man put to DEATH for TOUCHING GOD'S ANOINTED! So PLEASE FOR YOUR SOUL'S SAKE KEEP YOUR LIPS OFF OF THE MAN OF GOD! You can't argue with the WORD OF GOD, if you have something to say about this, you need to tell GOD!

The way I see it, The man plead guilty because he is guilty. As proud as this man is, if he were innocennt, he would have fought this all the way. REGARDLESS!!!!

To comment # 69...King Saul had to answer to Samuel who annointed him. Pastors have to answer to the community and to the goverment when they choose to defend acused men.

my two cents... what ever happened to "Dr. Klem vigorously maintains his innocence" and "hopes to clear his name in court"? In less than two months he went from vigorously innocent to guilty

To the author of #67: Who is Randee McDaniel? Shawn is not the father of this child. In fact, Randee has ALWAYS said that she HATED Shawn McDaniel. Randee's father is Don, yet ANOTHER person Tina has sued.

I take my comment back...the comments are still interesting.

Randee submitted her name as "Randee McDaniel" to the press, Just the Facts!. You sure know a lot of personal information for someone who is or was not a New Life Tabernacle member.

Gleaning information is quite simple in this matter. Beaumont is a small town, however, first and foremost, you have a plaintiff who has yet to learn to keep her mouth shut about ANYTHING. My wife and I have visited NLT a few times and have found it to be quite a wonderful experience but, we are not Pentecostals.

Just the Facts!, you start off with a long paragraph of personal information and then try to pass it off as small town hearsay...if you are not a New Life Tabernacle member, you surely fit the bill to be one.

Comment #60 I'm not attacking anyone but i see why people are attacking your church and whatnot because you people are brainwashed!

To the NLT members, I hope that if your child is abused they have someone to confide in because it is obvious you and the pastor are in denial. As you should know 1 in 4 girls will be molested before finishing High School. Regardless of what you think your children are not immune and the sooner you realize it the better off you and your children will be. The old saying “what goes around comes around” is still valid.

The church should be a place children should feel protected, looks to me like the NLT will be a candy store for a pedophile.

The Way I See It: If you actually knew Dr. Klem, you would know that he is NOT a proud man. You must be living in a perfect world if you think that everyone that plea BARGAINS is guilty. These lawyers in this area don't work for us, they work for/with eath other. It is all a political game here. He did what he had to do due to the threats of going to prison for a very long time. So why not BARGAIN? It's so easy to say you will never plead guilty, but you'll never really know unless it happens to you. And it could happen to YOU or your husband. These lawyers know how to play the game. AND... These families agreed to this plea bargain (because that's how it works), so why are they griping? Another thing, NLT members are not brainwashed. Give me a break!

Guilty people go to prison for a long time. That's how that works. The court can only offer a plea bargain if the probability of conviction is at least 75%. Keep in mind that the civil case is going to be a bloodbath now that he has a guilty plea in the criminal case. There is no good reason for him to take the plea bargain unless there was an airtight case against him. If he was such a popular doctor and church member then he should not have been scared of a jury of peers. I would bet that part of the plea bargain was to be kept in solitary where he won't get butt raped.

Well, the charges he plead guilty for are different than the civil charges. I wonder how that could affect it? Anyhow, like I said, most of these lawyers are working together anyway, so it sure looks good if they can get a so-called "molester" to plead out. I'm sure they will do whatever it takes so they can all make some money or make themselves look good.

Well, the charges he plead guilty for are different than the civil charges. I wonder how that could affect it? Anyhow, like I said, most of these lawyers are working together anyway, so it sure looks good if they can get a so-called "molester" to plead out. I'm sure they will do whatever it takes so they can all make some money or make themselves look good.

NLT is not a candy store for pedophiles because most of our parents actually are parents to their children and keep an eye on them instead of shipping them off at every opportunity.

Comment #71, you need to read the comment again. King Saul and Samuel was not a part of that comment!!!!! David and King Saul was the main focus, my comment didn't have anything to do with the pastor answering to anyone (however, I do believe everyone has to answer to someone) It has everything to do with PEOPLE KEEPING THEIR LIPS OFF OF THE MAN OF GOD, no matter who the Man of God is!

Just The Facts #72, you should be ashamed of yourself for the comments you made concerning Shawn and Randee. I have no idea who you are but it’s obvious you’re a mean, hateful, and unhappy person. Being a father is more than providing sperm and eing a parent is not always popular.I’m sure there were times when my children hated me but after it wa